Disable your antivirus ???

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Thought I would pass along a link to this article I was reading about third party antivirus solutions.
The opinion of the author would seem to be... stick with the native Defender product.

While that is certainly my AV of choice (supplemented with MalwareBytes Premium), I was thinking that it might not be for everyone.
This guy was employed by Mozilla as a Firefox developer.
http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/disable-your-antivirus-software-except.html

I would have to agree with the bloated, invasive and breaks things, although I would probably not disable it, I would more likely uninstall it and then run the vendor specific removal tool to make sure it was completely gone.

So I thought I would attempt to elicit some opinions from other members to see if they have any suggestions to share or problems that they've encountered ......
Networking and sharing issues
Upgrade / update issues (OS as well as other software)
Browsers problems
Software problems
That may have been resolved by either disabling or uninstalling their chosen Security Software
 
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Trouble I certainly agree with the author "Microsoft, on the other hand, is generally competent." Personally, I don't believe that MS are experts with AV programs and that's why they allow it to turn off when users install 3rd party anti malware of their choice.
BTW I have never used W.D.

I run Avira (malware) antivirus real time protection alongside with Malwarebytes Premium on all my PCs, Grandkids too. Never had a problem and never had to disable it for the Windows 10 Upgrade 15xx or any of the update Tuesday's.
 
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I have run only Defender and its predecessor, forget the name since I retired 11 years ago. When I worked the company ran MacAfee which seems to suck up about half the CPU power of those old machines ( Pentium 4s running Windows 2000 and Visual Studio ...which eats up cpu itself) .

With W10, in the early stages at least, running Norton or MacAfee seems like a good way to get a failed install or update judging by posts on here. Now I accept that this might have been caused by people having an out of date antivirus engine even if they had uptodate signatures.
 

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I have run only Defender and its predecessor, forget the name
Microsoft Security Essentials??
MacAfee which seems to suck up about half the CPU power
That has been my experience as well. When I say bloated, I mean that they seem to have a very large footprint and consume a fair amount of system resources.
Typically if you examine services on a machine running something like AVG you'll notice a half dozen or more.
Folks should use "msinfo32" -> Software Environment ->
System Drivers
Running Tasks
Loaded Modules
AND
Starup Programs
To get a better sense of what's going on, on their systems
 
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I have read the article and from my experience, all third party software gets so bulky over time that it not only slows down the computer but lets known viruses slip through (happened to me with AVG). on my Windows 10 machines I have only Defender and the MSRT, Win7 runs on AVAST. So far, so good knock on wood
 

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McAfee I uninstalled on all my new laptops we have just got, was warned that warranty would be non and void, but rather have a fast laptop than have McAfee slow it right down, now only running Windows Defender
Laptops start up and run fast
Been using just Defender for last 3 months on these systems and not one bit of trouble and all updates download and install super fast and that is over a WI-FI
 
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Having not long done a 'factory' reset I have not at this point reinstalled AV, so at the moment I have defender & Malwarebytes running and I must say my machine is working a lot faster! Will I get a problem well that remains to be seen and I'll let everyone know
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no AV can protect against the plethora of brand-new malware that gets distributed every single day, because all AVs are primarily signature-based. If you are unlucky and you downloaded the malware before your AV company added it to the list, you stand a very good chance of getting infected. This happens all the time through email messages with links or attachments. The bad guys are quicker than the good guys.

Better to concentrate your efforts on developing good user habits, and also to consider going for a default/deny security solution, such as VoodooShield, or COMODO 10 (with autosandbox and/or HIPS enabled), or SecureAPlus, or NVT ERP.

It's futile to fuss over which AV is better than which.
 
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Gentlemen, reading this forum and the various opinions about security programs, I am amazed that the majority of you have not acquired every bug known to man. USE SECURITY ESSENTIALS ? McAfee?. We are joking,of course? KASPERSKY. Used it for years and am able to sleep at night.
 
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Gentlemen, reading this forum and the various opinions about security programs, I am amazed that the majority of you have not acquired every bug known to man. USE SECURITY ESSENTIALS ? McAfee?. We are joking,of course? KASPERSKY. Used it for years and am able to sleep at night.
careful users are usually the ones who recommend WD, and, because they are careful, they almost never get infected. But a careless user will get infected even with Kaspersky.
 
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Thought I would pass along a link to this article I was reading about third party antivirus solutions.
The opinion of the author would seem to be... stick with the native Defender product.
Windows Defender, while better in Windows 10 than in all previous versions, is still not up to snuff per any independent 3rd party analysis. I believe the mean detection rate is somewhere in the mid 80% range, which is horrendous and inadequate [should be in the 99%+ range]
  • This will likely continue to improve, and in maybe 5 years might be on par with other 3rd party AV companies as Microsoft has invested heavily in the past few years within their threat detection departments, building brand new facilities for those departments.


...from my experience, all third party software gets so bulky over time that it not only slows down the computer but lets known viruses slip through
Factually inaccurate... no software gets "bulky" overtime, however the user's temp folder can [%USER%/AppData/Local/Temp], nor does software that's been properly configured slow down a PC.
  • Temp folder should be emptied daily in my opinion, and users can configure a task to do so via task scheduler.
  • More often than not, a corrupted user profile is the cause of slow performance issues, which is easily tested by creating a new user, logging off the current user, logging in the new user, and testing to see if the problem still exists. If it doesn't, it's generally more convenient for the user to simply move their personal files to a new user account (I always recommend moving user data folders [contacts, documents, downloads, etc.] to a separate partition as it's more convenient in the long term), then deleting the older user, but not the user files.
    • Once logged into the new user account, with all personal files transferred over, a user will need to go through the AppData Local & Roaming folders to find user files they'll probably want to save
      • Outlook stores .ost files in AppData, OneNote stores its backups there, Notepad++ stores config files there, CompanionLink, Rainmeter, Stardock, and many other applications do as well; additionally, the user's start menu folder, Win X folder, and several other custom experience folders are there as well.
      • It's also recommended to load the user registry hive into the registry to pull product keys and other custom info for applications stored there (PuTTY stores all its profile data and authorized keys there, Box stores it's user folder there, etc.)

Startup items should be disabled on non-essential applications, and a 3rd party program should be employed to do so [Task Manager is not sufficient, as it doesn't list all startup items], and user installed services should almost always be changed from Auto to DelayAuto or Manual [3rd party software, such as Windows 10/8/7 Manager from Yamicsoft makes this more convenient and less problematic for users since it separates user installed services from Windows services].

As to viruses slipping through, this is all on the end user and, in 99% of cases, a result of user error, is user induced [bad/no IPsec practices, inadequate research on Internet Security suites and which should be utilized and which should be avoided, etc.], and always avoidable. PCs have been around far longer than Android phones and people still can't seem to comprehend they need to not only download apps from the Google Play Store, but also verify the permissions of the app, so it's obvious the problem is users are lazy as a whole, consciously refusing to take 1 - 2hrs to educate themselves on basic IPsec practices and policies. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink.


no AV can protect against the plethora of brand-new malware that gets distributed every single day, because all AVs are primarily signature-based
This is both true and not true... AV signature updates base detection upon known signatures of malware, however it's not the AV engine that protects againsts new, unknown threats, that's HIPS. Using HIPS adequately requires basic knowledge of what the typical actions and access of any program should be, and should an end user employ an adequate HIPS policy, there shouldn't be any way a general user should be able to become infected by new malware whose signature is not yet known.
  • We're well past the point where people can simply allow an internet security suite to auto manage every part of it's rules without customization, as HIPS is extremely effective provided it's employed correctly by the end user. Basic knowledge about expected access behavior is a requirement since it can cause serious system problems, by blocking legitimate system behavior, should it be employed incorrectly by the end user.
    • It doesn't require a computer science degree, simply 1 - 2 hours of research on basic IPsec education, and unfortunately too many users aren't willing to do so... to which I say, if a general user isn't willing to spend 1 - 2hrs educating themselves, and following IPsec best practices, they deserve to be exploited. Most exploits a general user nowadays will experience come in the form of phishing emails, malicious sites and adverts, cracked software & keygens, and foreign storage insertion without proper policies in place to auto sandbox the the foreign storage medium. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink...
It's futile to fuss over which AV is better than which.
Between individual users, yes... between independent, 3rd party testing comparisons, no; and even that isn't always as telling as it should be. For example, I'm partial to Comodo [not 10, as it has some serious flaws that need to be hammered out], however it's hard to get a baseline on how Comodo compares to others since one of the major independent testing authorities, Virus Bulletin, and Comodo had a well publicized spat many years back, so Comodo refuses to allow them to test their software.
  • It's also extremely misleading to consumers when they see brand recognition, such as Mcafee, as default options on OEM PCs, since Mcafee is horrendous and has been for at least a decade.
  • Additionally, HIPS is employed differently by different products and some are easier and more convenient to utilize, whereas others are more in depth and require greater knowledge of the end user.
  • Some products have extremely overly complex and confusing firewalls built into their internet security suites, however what many users don't know is Windows Firewall is extremely powerful, but not in it's default state. It would take ~3 days to properly configure Windows Firewall to be secure, at which point it would be more convenient for users to manage than a third party firewall since it's so intertwined with the OS (for example, even if you use a third party firewall, the Windows Firewall service still must run as it controls networking functions like sharing printers]
 
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most users will find a proper HIPS program to be overly complicated. You have to like that kind of thing to use it effectively, and not everyone is geek enough to like it.
It is better for most users to use a simpler solution. If COMODO, then autosandbox (with proactive config enabled). But there are plenty of other solutions besides COMODO, as I mentioned earlier.
 
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I have run only Defender and its predecessor, forget the name since I retired 11 years ago. When I worked the company ran MacAfee which seems to suck up about half the CPU power of those old machines ( Pentium 4s running Windows 2000 and Visual Studio ...which eats up cpu itself) .

With W10, in the early stages at least, running Norton or MacAfee seems like a good way to get a failed install or update judging by posts on here. Now I accept that this might have been caused by people having an out of date antivirus engine even if they had uptodate signatures.
Well of course anyone running Mc Afee would find defender much better, but no av at all is about equal. I have had to clean many computers who just run WD and I have had to use special Mc Afee removal tools to get that crap off a few computers to make them run right. Speeds them right up. Mc Afee might be better than PC Matic, but I won't test them on my system.
It has been my experience that Mc Afee sucks up 90% of all available CPU power, even at idle. Remove it and it drops to 0% at idle
 
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most users will find a proper HIPS program to be overly complicated. You have to like that kind of thing to use it effectively, and not everyone is geek enough to like it.
It is better for most users to use a simpler solution. If COMODO, then autosandbox (with proactive config enabled). But there are plenty of other solutions besides COMODO, as I mentioned earlier.
Comodo uses HIPS... i.e. Defense+, which sandbox and viruscope are apart of. Every internet security suite employs HIPS, and no, it's not overly complicated if one takes the time to educate themselves. Again, if a user isn't willing to educate themselves and then has issues due to it, why exactly should anyone take time out of their day to help a user who is consciously choosing to refuse to help themselves?
  • There's places for users to go if they choose to be that lazy... Staples, Best Buy, etc. offer paid repair services, and if a user doesn't want to pay someone to fix/configure basic stuff, then the user needs to stop being lazy and help themselves by educating themselves.
I like helping people, but nothing irks me more than someone consciously being lazy and refusing to help themselves, then attempting to get everyone else to do the work for them.
 
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Comodo uses HIPS... i.e. Defense+, which sandbox and viruscope are apart of. Every internet security suite employs HIPS, and no, it's not overly complicated if one takes the time to educate themselves. Again, if a user isn't willing to educate themselves and then has issues due to it, why exactly should anyone take time out of their day to help a user who is consciously choosing to refuse to help themselves?
  • There's places for users to go if they choose to be that lazy... Staples, Best Buy, etc. offer paid repair services, and if a user doesn't want to pay someone to fix/configure basic stuff, then the user needs to stop being lazy and help themselves by educating themselves.
I like helping people, but nothing irks me more than someone consciously being lazy and refusing to help themselves, then attempting to get everyone else to do the work for them.
what most AV suites call "HIPS" is not the same animal at all as COMODO HIPS. Many of COMODO's most devoted users turn off the HIPS, and only use the autosandbox, because COMODO HIPS can be a royal pain.
The autosandbox -- in proactive config -- is very effective.
 
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I run a computer lab. Additionally, I own and use 8 Windows 10 machines in my home. My AV plan is to run constantly Windows Defender. I also run the freeware SuperAntiSpyware (a horrible name for a wonderful product) and Malwarebytes Antimalware. The combination of these three work well (if you use them frequently) and I advise folks that ask, and people that ask me to repair their computers that they need all three of these and nothing else.

Many people come to me with slow computers. The first thing I check is which AV software they use. AVG (free) or Avira (free) seem to be the favorites. I tell them that these (and other) AV solutions are often the reason their machines run slowly, and that they are totally unneeded. By removing their AV software and using the three free softwares above, their machine will run considerably faster and will be just as safe. Unfortunately, most AV applications are designed for machines running the fastest processors with a lot of memory. If you aren't running a recent processor running at 2.6 GHz or faster and 8 GB memory or more ... do not run any AV software except for the Windows native application. Defender.

Actually, the best AV software is your brain. If something comes in an email and wants to install a program, you should not run it until you know more. Do your homework. Or is all of a sudden you get a webpage on your screen that tells you that you need to install some program to update software or to install a bette software solution and you had done nothing to get this webpage, you need either clear the page (or sometimes tthe browser ... control - alt - delete) and, again, do your research before you allow the update. You should also simply delete any emails from a friend or an unknow person that simply suggests you go to a some webpage you never neard of. And if the email was from a friend, let them know that they probably have a virus on their machine.

Just remember to update your computer using Windows Update, update and run SuperAntiSpiware frequently (a couple times a week at the very minimum), and update and run Malwarebytes a couple times a month and anytime when you do think you may have malware that has somehow gotten on your computer.
 
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Thought I would pass along a link to this article I was reading about third party antivirus solutions.
The opinion of the author would seem to be... stick with the native Defender product.

While that is certainly my AV of choice (supplemented with MalwareBytes Premium), I was thinking that it might not be for everyone.
This guy was employed by Mozilla as a Firefox developer.
http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/disable-your-antivirus-software-except.html

I would have to agree with the bloated, invasive and breaks things, although I would probably not disable it, I would more likely uninstall it and then run the vendor specific removal tool to make sure it was completely gone.

So I thought I would attempt to elicit some opinions from other members to see if they have any suggestions to share or problems that they've encountered ......
Networking and sharing issues
Upgrade / update issues (OS as well as other software)
Browsers problems
Software problems
That may have been resolved by either disabling or uninstalling their chosen Security Software
I used Windows Defender for my Windows 10 Pro installation and was happy until I had a problem with Outlook 2016. So, I called Microsoft, and a tech removed a virus using Trend Micro Antivirus +. The tech then recommended I remove Windows Defender and buy and install the Trend Micro product, which I did. So apparently, even Microsoft isn't recommending Windows Defender. I made the change almost a year ago and haven't had any virus problems since that time. Go figure.
 

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