Issues with 20H2 update...

[Stuart Tunstall]

Now how can I put this.... the new version is still crap!

I have just spent 6 hours doing the update from v1909 to 20H2 on my 4 year old HP ENVY 17-N152SA i7 12GB RAM laptop... yes, like last time when I tried to update to v2002 it took 6 hours!... and.... the same as last time...

The HP 3D Driveguard will not work.... and a restart from desktop screen to desktop screen took 10 mins.... a "normal" shutdown at the end of the day takes 5 mins and the same to start up... v1909 takes a couple of minutes max...

This update will be forced on users at some stage so, I for one will have a laptop that Microsoft will break... and have no choice.. so I will either have to buy a new compatible laptop OR just live with the issues it causes... once it has booted it works perfect, unless someone knows the reason...

Macrium Reflect, 10 mins to restore to this morning and it is running smooth and fast again....

Strange thing this morning... I manually checked for updates as I have many times and it started to install the v20H2 update even though I did not click the message asking if you wanted to download and install....

So I had only just done a Macrium back up about 45 mins earlier, restored to that and as usual after a reboot it tried to check for updates and it tried to do it again without any input from me..

I have now used the "wushowhide" program and hidden the feature update... and all is OK now, not trying to download but the message just below the check now button has now gone that said the "feature update was available do you want to download and install"

Are they forcing it out as of today? or a glitch in windows update? up until now when I check updates it never just started the install of 20H2 or any other for that matter...

I have thought as the HP 3D Drivegiard is not working I wonder if that is what causes my slow boot and shut down, it is waiting for it to do its job but is not compatible if that make sense... need to find out how to uninstall it and try again I think but it is just a driver not in the programs section in control panel..

If I go to the HP website and look at drivers it is no longer shown... wonder if they know there is an issue or have just stopped supporting it and I need to remove it now...

https://support.hp.com/gb-en/drivers...01?sku=N9Q54EA

 

[bassfisher6522]

Have you gone to HP to check for driver updats and/or a BIOS update.

HP ENVY Notebook - 17-n152sa (ENERGY STAR) Software and Driver Downloads | HP® Customer Support

Download the latest drivers, firmware, and software for your HP ENVY Notebook - 17-n152sa (ENERGY STAR).This is HP’s official website that will help automatically detect and download the correct drivers free of cost for your HP Computing and Printing products for Windows and Mac operating system.

support.hp.com

 

[Stuart Tunstall]

Hi

Checked all drivers but not the BIOS seems strange I have had no issues at all with all updates apart from v2002/v20H2

 

[bassfisher6522]

While looking on the HP driver page, I saw 3 firmware updates, 2 of which are from the later part of 2019.

I would double check your driver dates from device manager with the latest updates from your driver support page and update accordingly. Then I would do the BIOS update. Then check to see if 20H1 and 20H2 update for you.

If not....I would download the 20H2 ISO and do a clean install of 20H2.

 

[Stuart Tunstall]

I have been advised to try using the Windows 10 media creation tool to see if the upgrade goes any better...

What is the difference?
Will it do the same sort of update as the WU? i.e keep all programs and files..

 

[Stuart Tunstall]

Yes Stuart that is exactly how i do my new windows versions as i use the creation tool to access, do an "upgrade"all files and folders as saved only the os version is changed. "20H2" Takes about 1 and half hours and have done this rather that the installed windows auto update feature. done this for the last 3 big version changes.Also bios update may be necessary if its not been update for some time John

Thank you I will give it a try the weekend, not sure it will work any better as I think something else is causing my slowness...

Will it keep all my programs I have added?

 

[Stuart Tunstall]

I gave this a try on Friday, a plus it only took 3 hours, still longer than in the past but less than the 6 hours it took the last twice with 2002 and 20H2 but still same issues so I suspect the issue is a driver or something on this laptop which never caused an issue before..

I am looking to go to an SSD drive which a local computer store will change over for me then try again... and they will see if they can find the issue..

Once it starts up it works perfect but timing in yesterday from pressing the power button to a working desktop took almost 10 mins... v1909 which it is now back on takes less than a couple of minutes...

I suspect as the HP 3D Driveguard stops working that may be the issue or one of the issues but as I can see no way to remove it or disable it I cannot test that... it is not in programs, or services..

 

[poorguy]

I didn't have any luck installing the 20H2 Feature update.

I had a problem with the display pix-elating everywhere my mouse pointer moved.

It all went downhill after a restart and that's all she wrote. (sigh)

Wasted almost 3hrs only to brick my desktop which worked excellent until installing the 20H2 Feature update.

It's beginning to feel like it did when I first started using Windows 10 seems like every few updates created problems.

Guess I'll see if I can recover from it although without any desktop / user interface I may be unable to and just be SOL.

HP desktops and Nvidia graphics just seem to be problematic for me in Windows 10 and Linux however I'm using old Vista desktops.

Not being negative just frustrated that's all.

My apologies for dumping in your thread.

 

[poorguy]

@john steadman

This desktop has been running Windows 10 version 1909 and was working great until I tried to install the cursed 20h2 feature update which appears to be creating some havoc on some computers.

What I meant when I said and I quote "I'm using old Vista desktops." is that Windows 10 is installed on a Vista circa desktop.

 

[poorguy]

Windows 10 is supposed to keep itself updated and that being the case it should have been running 2004 version although I never checked.

Used the media creation tool and created 20H2 bootable media tried to do a clean install which also failed.

My old Vista desktop computer may no longer be able to support the Windows 10 feature updates can't say for certain.

If Windows 10 version 20H2 feature update fails to install and run and will not work I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to get 20H2 feature update to install and work.

If Windows 10 fails I have Linux to fall back on so ain't no big deal as an OS is an OS and one OS ain't no better than another OS.

Five and a half one way and six another and as long as whatever OS I use gets me online securely then I'm happy.

 

[bassfisher6522]

Used the media creation tool and created 20H2 bootable media tried to do a clean install which also failed.

I've had that happen before with that method. However, using the MCT, I download the actual ISO and then us Rufus to create the bootable USB with 20H2, installed with out a hitch. Been doing that for awhile now.

 

[poorguy]

I've had that happen before with that method. However, using the MCT, I download the actual ISO and then us Rufus to create the bootable USB with 20H2, installed with out a hitch. Been doing that for awhile now.

Guess I'll have to take a look at Rufus.

I've heard of Rufus but ain't never used it.

This was also the first time I used MCT and it seemed to work OK.

Who knows at this point I've just got a computer that powers up and on but no display.

 

[bassfisher6522]

This was also the first time I used MCT and it seemed to work OK.

It does work.....but every now and then the USB ISO method gets corrupted or the install isn't quite right.

 

[poorguy]

It does work.....but every now and then the USB ISO method gets corrupted or the install isn't quite right.

I'm thinken mine may be OK as the 20H2 feature update that came down through updates broke my working Windows 10 desktop before I made the bootable USB media using MCT.

 

[bassfisher6522]

the 20H2 feature update that came down through updates broke my working Windows 10 desktop before

Yep....this is known since the Vista era. While the majority don't experience it a small percentage does....as OS upgrades.....from Visat to 7 and 7 to 8, 8 to 8.1 and 8.1 to 10.

For that very reason is why, on my every day PC, I do the clean install from OS to OS. On my test machine, when I had one, I'd go through the windows update channel path just to see if it would brake something.

 

[poorguy]

For that very reason is why, on my every day PC, I do the clean install from OS to OS.

I did the Windows 10 upgrade via Windows 7 so that I could receive the Windows 10 digital license.

Once the upgraded Windows 10 digital license was obtained and activated I then did a clean install from scratch to eliminate all problems from upgrading.

 

[Clintlgm]

I would avoid the 20H4 all together for now, just install the 2004 and not the enablement package. There is an issue that once installed you can not do a repair install if needed. You can test this out for yourself. Start an upgrade Repair install and you'll find that the only selection you can make it to remove everything. at that point just cancel the install. Then uninstall the enablement package and try again you will be able to keep your Files and folder!!
Now then you can upgrade to 20H4 Using the MCT but once you do you no longer can do a Repair install and keep your data and folder.
If you just upgrade to 2004 No issues, the issue is with the enablement package. So if you want to try out the enablement package install it separately that way once you see this issue and several other issues you can then uninstall it. If you upgrade using the MCT the enablement package is part of the install and not uninstallable.

 

[poorguy]

I'll figure something out with this here Windows 10 20H2 feature update problem.

However.

I'm going to leave it be because I'm a wee bit P.O. at the whole damn 20H2 feature update as my desktop was working really well before this 20H2 feature update.

OH well can't blame anyone but myself as I decided to download and install it. (sigh)

Thanks for the space and listening.

 

[Clintlgm]

I'll figure something out with this here Windows 10 20H2 feature update problem.

However.

I'm going to leave it be because I'm a wee bit P.O. at the whole damn 20H2 feature update as my desktop was working really well before this 20H2 feature update.

OH well can't blame anyone but myself as I decided to download and install it. (sigh)

Thanks for the space and listening.

Just uninstall it. go to All settings/Update and Securtiy/View update history/uninstall update/select the 20H2 Feature Update. It will uninstall and your done with it.

 

[poorguy]

Just uninstall it. go to All settings/Update and Securtiy/View update history/uninstall update/select the 20H2 Feature Update. It will uninstall and your done with it.

The PC no longer has a visible display since the install of 20H2.

I haven't tried to reboot from any Windows 10 media to see if I can do a repair.

I may have to do a clean install to get my display back I don't know yet.